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- From: mart4372@mach1.wlu.ca (Reg Martin)
- Subject: Re: New Press Release!
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- Date: Sun, 17 Mar 1996 02:23:36 GMT
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- Michael van Elst (mlelstv@serpens.rhein.de) wrote:
- : drizzit@eskimo.com (G. Baldwin) writes:
- :
- : >I don't. I don't plan to buy another Amiga until we have something that
- : >meets or beats the competition (like the A500 did when it was *first
- : >released*) and is a fairly reasonable cost.
- :
- : The A500 did never beat the competition. But it was cheap, cheap enough
- : for you to afford it. Now that you can afford more you call it crap.
-
- What do you mean it never beat the competition!? Of course it did...
- In 1986 it was the best home computer you could get for a reasonable
- price. It IS crap today. Anybody who could afford a 500 when they
- were introduced could easily buy a much better computer today with
- the same money.
-
- : >You still ignore the fact that EVERYONE needs a fast CPU, not just people
- : >who do image processing. If that wasn't true, we'd still all be using 8086s
- : >or similar CPUs.
- :
- : You are all using 8086s or similar CPUs. Of course a Pentium is a bit faster,
- : but productivity didn't change much. Most of the advantages come from smarter
- : software which is rarely CPU intensive.
-
- Come on... A "bit" faster? Hmmm... Like what? 100x faster or so?
-
- : >I used to be the same way. "What do I need an MMU for?" Then I got into
- : >the situation of wanting one. If there weren't a large number of people
- : >who would like an MMU, this discussion would of never come up.
- :
- : Sure. But as of yet, most people that would like an MMU just want it because
- : they don't have one. There are very few applications of an MMU with current
- : software and the people that really use an MMU will also want some faster
- : CPU. A perfect situation to sell the cheap, non-MMU chip to new users and
- : accelerators (with MMU) to the few people that need it.
-
- There is plenty of software that requires an MMU. ie any software
- which runs under Linux or NetBSD, for starters, and there is a lot of
- software which can benefit from using virtual memory. Emplant (and
- ShapeShifter too I think) will also do graphics updates considerably
- faster with an MMU.
-
- : >What kind of people do you think make software in the Aminet? People who
- : >only own high end machines??? I don't think so. Many of them only own
- : >030s right now. I happen to be one of them. I don't own a high end
- : >machine, I own 2 mid level machines.
- :
- : Well, I consider my A3000 (with 68030/25) "high end".
-
- Then you're deluding yourself.
-
- : >When I started developing, I couldn't
- : >use Enforcer. And some of my firends who don't develop want to use an
- : >MMU so they could get that extra speed out of the OS or out of
- : >ShapeShifter.
- :
- : Do you see that you are in a small minority ?
-
- Do you see that you are too? Everybody who is using an Amiga these days
- is in a small minority. It's silly to cut off any group of Amiga users
- no matter how small they may be. I know that there are plenty of people
- out there who left the Amiga as a result of these types of shortcomings.
-
- : >I guess that all of those people who use
- : >ShapeShifter on their 020 based A1200s must be a myth that pro-MMU people
- : >just made up.
- :
- : I consider this a myth.
-
- I consider you a myth, now are you going to go away? No, I didn't think so.
-
- : >Why should I pay another $600-$1000 for a crapola PC when for an extra
- : >$30 I can have a full blown 030 and run it on my system.
- :
- : Because you pay an extra $300.
-
- Yikes Mike! Where are you looking at prices? It's hardly an extra $300
- to go from an EC030 to a full 030. $30 is probably pretty accurate.
-
- Reg Martin
-